Sunday, January 04, 2009

Palestinian liars

The Truth About Gaza
by Martin Peretz

I don't doubt the suffering caused by Israel's bombing of Gaza, and I don't doubt that many innocents are victims. Of course, had Hamas not been launching missiles against the population of Israel Gaza would have been left undisturbed. Enough is enough.

Arabic is a language easily taken to exaggeration and hyperbole. The easy use of the word genocide is an instance of this Arab habit. There is no genocide in Sudan but there is in the Strip. Sorry, I had it in reverse. This lying also extends to details that can be quickly checked by reporters who don't. Would you not think that, with the hysteria about starvation, you'd see some bloated bellies on the TV? Instead, you see healthy children and strong young men in the rituals of resistance.

And sneakers. You have to look closely at the sneakers, seemingly new and, of course, costly.

In the midst of all this catastrophe propaganda there are some facts. These were provided to me by Jacob Dallal, an old and trusted friend who happens to work for the spokesman's unit of the I.D.F. He has been my informant in several comparable situations: he has never told me a lie or even a fib.

* Today (Wed.), 93 truckloads with 2,500 tons of food and medical supplies were transferred to Gaza.
* Since the beginning of the operation in Gaza Saturday, 6,500 tons of food and medicine were transferred to Gaza.
* The World Food Program has informed Israel that they will not be resuming shipment of food into Gaza because their warehouses are at full capacity, with enough supplies for at least 2 weeks.
* 12 Palestinians from Gaza entered Israel today (Wed.) for medical treatment.

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Blogger Gerald Ollison said...


I know you gotta bee under your bonnet about this stuff, but you hafta stop posting the propaganda faster than your good friends have a chance to respond to it!

I heard a couple of things the other day which I wasn't entirely aware of... I'm certain memory won't be absolutely accurate, but these are certainly approximations of the facts I heard.

-There is an initiative out there (for the U.N maybe?) supported by 22 arab nations, which favors distinctly separate Israel and Palestinian states, and additionally supports the precondition which recognizes Israel's right to exist;

-Something like over 65 percent of the the general citizenry of Israel supports this initiative;

-Something like 75 to 85 percent of U.S. Jews also favor the separate conditions as laid forth in this initiative (which I think also includes that the U.S. take a leadership role as a mediator of the situation).

So... there appears to be an informal consensus out there amongst all but the most extreme (on both sides).

The interview I heard these numbers from was with one of the gents who runs the website with this FAQ:

I also like to read Rabbi Michael Lerner's stuff, and hear his interviews (Cornel West is one of his co-conspiraters in the organization, with frequent written contributions). You might wanna at least take a glance at some of his latest work... to temporarily calm your stomach, if nothing else:

As always, the best to you, my friend (Lord knows we all have our existential predicatments).

Take care...

2:40 PM  
Blogger Tony Forkush said...

Sorry Gerald, I was unable to respond to your passionate comments about the Kurds or the Georgians or many of the other conflicts which have inspired your sense of fairness. Lord knows the Palestinians hold a special place in your heart for...uhmm...well...I know its such an important conflict cause...I mean, you know the Jews and everything and...gosh
these poor defenseless people dawgawnit.
Thank God for Ed Zwick.

5:58 PM  
Blogger Gerald Ollison said...

You know, you keep up with that line of sarcasm and you'll give Matt Drudge a run for his money.

9:46 PM  
Blogger Tony Forkush said...

No, but seriously, supporters of Israel clearly want a two state solution. This simply cannot be accomplished until the Palestinians decide that they WANT a two state solution. Hamas is a terrorist organization who seeks the unequivocal destruction of Israel (Charter 14). The real problem currently is that the Palestinians president Mahmoud Abbas is the individual who has the best case for creating such a state. However, if any of his Palestinian Authority members were to walk into Gaza, they would be slaughtered on sight.
This nonsense about proportionality is insane. All the blame for the current situation lies at the foot of Hamas who has taken charitable aid given it and spent it on weapons, tunnels, in an attempt to attack Israel. A triple war crime is being committed as well, using civilians as human shields.
This incursion, if seen to its conclusion, will truly yield the best possibility for a two state solution if Hamas is annihilated and a moderate government able to coexist with Fatah can reasonably negotiate peace, instead of circumventing it.
They should have never voted in Hamas, my friend. Big fucking mistake.

9:57 PM  
Blogger Tony Forkush said...

80% of US citizens unequivocally support Israel and their actions, recent polls indicate. They is no wavering by Americans in their backing of Israel. Nothing has changed, thank God.

9:58 PM  
Blogger Tony Forkush said...

Correction- the Palestinian Authority president Mahmoud Abbas.

9:59 PM  
Blogger Tony Forkush said...

Love Tony

10:00 PM  
Blogger Gerald Ollison said...

I'm glad you came back with a little more than a putdown.

The 80 percent figure you brought up, in support of Israel; this is precisely my point.

You are going on in a defensive rant against anti-Semitism, when you are obviously aware that most everyone in the US, and many elsewhere, actually support Israel. I think this is what Jamie was responding to as well...

Just because there's a debate initiated whenever battles begin, those debating shouldn't be put into the same category as being anti-semitic, in a kneejerk fashion. So what if people disagree with Israel's strategies (tactics?) and motives... There's lots of differing points of views on this latest manuever; none necessarily having anything to do with the anyone being anti-semitic.

That's why I brought up the Islamic nations which actually support Israel; that's why I bring up Jewish organizations which support a ceasefire; and that's why I myself brought up the U.S. statistic. I'm attempting to illustrate, among other things, that just because anyone questions the current situation, it doesn't mean they question Israel's right to exist or otherwise defend itself.

Then you get all contrary-like and name-cally and doo-dee-da-boo-poofin... Where is Tina Fey when you need her?

(And as for Russia and Georgia, I was in the Ukraine in what? 1995? So, if you wanna go there baby, put uppa you dukes!)

Hokey pokey 'n later gater.
See ya,

10:52 PM  

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